Regarding the “Debate” With Drysift

As all of my readers know, I cannot go. The poll will be closed shortly, and the results are a very conclusive ‘respond first you derp’.

My last message to drysift before explaining my tactics and moving on is after the jump. If you are interested in watching the spectacle unfold, visit http://tinychat.com/debate at 7pm Pacific time and get some popcorn. I predict much whining.

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Response to an Occupy Sympathizer – PART THREE

[UPDATE 11/20/2011] New arrivals – please visit this story!  it details the incidents of occupy so far that I will put up in my next post that is CURRENTLY in progress! Thanks!

-Dougem

My initial impression of occupy. Please read!

Sneak peek of the photos I will use next post – occupy San Diego’s current presence. Quite small.

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Part 1

Part 2

What’s this? A twist?

“More bias. Blocked. I’ll be in tinychat.com/debate @ 7pm on Monday. Lets see how many people you can get to meet there.”

No, drysift, I’m not going to roll unless enough of my audience wants me to. I’ve brought up my concerns, fleshed them out in agonizing detail, and you’re leaving it all hanging unchallenged. Not only that – but you name a time and place – without even checking to see if I am able to go! Are you maximizing my chance of not being able to show, drysift, so that you can claim an empty victory?

My audience are free to go. I won’t encourage them to because I am willing to bet good money that it will just descend into a flame war – know this ahead of time folks. It’s your choice and yours alone.

So, audience – what do you think? I think it’s time for some direct democracy!

[UPDATE] This is what democracy looks like! The majority, 4 voters, felt drysift needs to respond to my rebuttals like any serious debater would. Thanks folks for putting up with this exercise in Drama. I promise we’ll be moving on shortly.

Responding to an Occupy Sympathizer Part 2

 

First part of this series can be found here

So! As stated earlier, drysift got back to me. If you haven’t read the first part, please do so – otherwise, if you enjoy things being way out of context or you’ve already caught up, the reply and my rebuttal can be found after the jump. Before I go further, a quick disclaimer: I know this person is not the entire Occupy movement, and I would -love- to speak to an Occupy San Diego person especially regarding some of my issues. As long as that person doesn’t behave like drysift here.

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An Open Response to an Occupy San Diego Sympathizer

No-one responded to my question about whether or not to respond openly to a pm I got – so I decided to go do it anyways! Below is the message in full. I understand it’s a busy week for everybody – but all the same I hope I get you folks on the weekend. The video in question is linked in my previous post

Quick note to site newbies, please read the about tab before jumping to conclusions about how I tick, kay?

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Production Machinations and Skeptic Conservative Shows 9 & 10

Thought I should post more – and at the same time share some of the production things I busy myself with!

First, a screenshot for the curious. More below.

Yes, this is for an audio podcast

Mixing 'cards' to go with each individual segment on the show.

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A Souring on the Occupy Movement

Alright folks – I know I do this way too much, but in this case it’s warranted.

I owe you guys an explanation. This content draught has gone on much longer then usual, and before I unleash the full flood gates of what I’ve been up to – allow me to cover one of the reasons I’ve been very quiet over the past two months.

To put it simply, it’s been the Occupy Movement.

Over the past month, I really sat down and dunked my head deep into the mire that is politics. Not only did I absorb news coverage from all angles, I personally went down to Occupy San Diego on its opening day and took over 100 photos and several video clips. I have gone over and collected a few different manifestos, watched countless videos, really sat down and took it in. I published an initial impression of the overall movement. My first take – even after a half a week of thought, me trying to be fair! –  was that the soul of the movement was fueled by anti capitalism, and that troublemakers and professional protesters would hijack any moderates trying to turn it into a tea party like movement.

I have strong reason today to tell you, my audience, that I think my initial impressions were correct.

Tomorrow I’ll share with you a document I received about two weeks ago at the short lived “Occupy UCSD” movement tied in to the broader “Occupy Higher Education” tiied in to the “Occupy Everything” movement. I’ll happily go over – bullet point by bullet point – why their manifesto – one approved by Occupy San Diego and Occupy Wall Street – betrays the initial message of bi partisanship.

This movement has been coopted all along by Big Labor and hard leftists who want to crash the system to bring about socialism. THAT SAID. Believe me, I know that there are libertarians and ordinary minded folks frustraited with the system in this group – but their voices are being drowned out. I contend that all along, the idea has been to get folks hungry and angry through long term occupations, and then wield them as blunt instruments to bring about societal tension. Residents around the occupations get angry. The activists get angry. Inevitably, confrontations happen and they are gleefully embraced by the leaders of the movement.

Observe the videos below.

1) Occupy DC mob Injures elderly Woman at Americans for Prosperity Reagan Memorial Dinner

2) Attack Victims interviewed

How is this supposed to bring about meaningful reform and change? How is physcially intimidating, harrasing, and wounding people you disagree with supposed to color your organization in a good light? The occupy DC group expressely said multiple times that their intent was to bar conservatives from leaving the event. Why? What was that supposed to do? The event was hardly a sinister meeting of the ‘vast right wing conspiracy’ – it was a remembrance of what would have been Ronald Reagan’s 100th birthday.

I’ll go into more detail on this later – but to sum, my biggest problem with the Occupy movement has been my impression that they act like a mob. They practice mob justice, they circle the wagons and/or excuse most criticism, and they more or less allow the vagrants and violent members to do their thing unchallenged. “We can’t police free speech!” after all. The overall attitude in my eyes is that their flagship inspiration – Tahir Square and the Arab Spring – is misguided. It seems like they feel that all they have to do is camp out for weeks on end, make noise, and get what they want. That is not how politics works.

Meaningful politics involves actual action. Sitting in a square doesn’t count. I’m talking about things similar to Occupy’s teach ins, but done less destructively. Things that local tea party groups around the country (including one I’m getting involved in) do every day. Yes, folks, it is possible to be a political activist while having a life and a job. I intend to prove that over the next several months.

Do I see a crash coming? Yeah. Does that mean I think we should embrace what amounts to socialist anarchy? NOPE. I believe in reaching out to all ideologies in the goal of destroying corruption and bringing back an emphasis on locality in politics. It’s very possible, it’s hard work, and oh yeah – it’s been done. WITHOUT MOBS IN THE STREETS.

Mobs in the streets are bad things, folks, no matter who is part of them. You can have the noblest, most decent people on the planet in a mob – and bad things will happen when bad apples act. I’m not decrying all protests – but I AM decrying protests that are largely aimless, anarchistic, and open ended in nature because the founders of the movement deliberately wanted them to be that way.

Remember that I think that we have elements in power right now who want to create problems so they can force in the solutions of their choosing. Van Jones, here’s looking at you.

-Doug

PS: I will do an audio segment tonight or tomorrow on me and my plans and thoughts. As I’m becoming very fond of saying – We live in interesting times. Take nothing for granted, folks, and keep a careful, skeptical eyes on the news.

Quick Update: A List of Demands?

A potential list of demands for the occupy movement has finally presented itself. I’m still working on a post covering my overall thoughts – this will have some effect, but my main points of contention remain. Here it is, for those of you inclined to peek at it – I’ll pick it apart in detail later today/as I have time to do so!

The living, breathing manifesto 

This is a constantly adapting document – and it’s a meaty one. I’ll explain more in detail, but my immediate thoughts –

  1. This seems like a lot of policy, very quickly
  2. Many of the issues are overtly partisan
  3. Explanations of propositions are simplistic and full contextual links are not always provided
  4. Too many issues at once risks alienating potential supporters more then it will attract them
  5. A significant portion of the movement feels that publishing any demands is wrong, and it speaks volumes of their motives
It’s important to note that this isn’t an “Official” policy brief. It’s the closest thing the movement has to one, however.

 

 

Quick Update – Plans for a Follow up on Occupy San Diego

Something I was considering from the start, and that has been given validity in my mind owing to feedback from a number of friends –

I fully intend to return to Occupy San Diego after they’ve had a full week to come up with an agenda and message. I’ve expressed a number of concerns regarding them and the national movement – will these concerns ring true or will will they be temporary and fleeting in nature like what usually happens with the ‘professional protesters’ that love to try to steal and hijack protests?

Update [10/14/2011]: The plans got disrupted! Hit ‘Read more’ for…more!

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The Occupy Movement – A Few Links Worth Sharing

…because ultimately these folks give word to the issues better then I could. Links and more of my thoughts after the jump.

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