An Open Response to an Occupy San Diego Sympathizer


No-one responded to my question about whether or not to respond openly to a pm I got – so I decided to go do it anyways! Below is the message in full. I understand it’s a busy week for everybody – but all the same I hope I get you folks on the weekend. The video in question is linked in my previous post

Quick note to site newbies, please read the about tab before jumping to conclusions about how I tick, kay?

Aaaaannnnnddd here we go. The user in question is drysift and their pm was as follows:

“@drysift “Got exactly what you deserved.” So thuggery is justified if it’s against someone you disagree with? As a tea party member my group and I were briefly considering sending a delegation down to talk with you folks as an olive branch of sorts. You can bet we’ll steer clear now. Like it or not, you fellas have given us the impression that you’re only interested in provocation and shouting when you encounter things you don’t like. Quit excusing bad behavior so much.”

..And my response to you is exactly what I said before..

No, she wasn’t reaching out. She went to interview people she thought would make Occupiers look bad, and she got exactly what she deserved.

(The part you apparently missed..)

Quit scouting homeless people to represent Occupiers. The COPS DROP THEM OFF there for free food and shelter, that’s it. The Tea Partiers have their share of crazies too. When you’re ready to see the good in Occupy and take some responsibility for your own actions, we can talk!

Aww homeless people got ya’ shakin’ in your boots?

Bring your olive branch. Occupiers would love to hear their representatives debate with peaceful people, but leave your guns, gun-strapped toddlers, biased perspectives, and sarcastic remarks at home. Occupiers have had plenty of documented (on youtube) civil debates with opposers, but they have NO TIME for aggressive haters.. which you borderline on.

So come in peace! OR, you can come film and harass the poor homeless for a nice piece of propaganda if bias is your agenda, but don’t cry to youtube when your smart mouth gets you hit.

Thanks for your opinion,

Non-Polarized Intellectual”

Ohohoho, where do I start? Remember, here is the context video in question. I was replying to this comment specifically:

“No, you weren’t reaching out. You went to interview people you thought would make Occupiers look bad, and you got exactly what you deserved. Quit scouting homeless people to represent Occupiers. They cops drop them off there for free food and shelter, that’s it. The Tea Partiers have their share of crazies too. When you’re ready to see the good in Occupy and take some responsibility for your own actions, we can talk! Retorting to an apology with insults is very childish, grow up.”

Folks, remember on my last podcast how I mentioned that I felt Occupy Wall Street was a mob and how that was bad? Allow me to use some more of this user’s actual posts before I continue. I’d suggest the more enterprising of you open the comment thread yourselves, tap in ‘drysift’ into the search bar and have fun reading. Go ahead, I’ll wait. To find my comments, you would of course search for ‘TheDougem’. I’m calling out drysift – I’m not going to hide.

“LOL you boomers and your two party system. There is no left or right, Occupy belongs to neither.

I personally find it funny that the bitch in the video got her camera knocked out of her hands. That’s what happens when you harass homeless people. Why bother? Because she wanted to scorn Occupiers. She chose the poorest, most ignorant people she could find, and she got exactly what she asked for.

Meanwhile, you crazies laugh when the cops almost killed Scott Olson, a two time war vet.”

“I can hardly wait to read of your abuse in a nursing home somewhere. Generation Y is going to punish you for demeaning the movement we started to combat the corruption your lazy generation left us with. Mark my words, you will suffer like you’ve made us suffer.

– Educated, young American prospect”

So! With the context of this commenter’s lovely, civil nature and upbeat attitude established, let’s roll with the beginning of the message. They quote one of my closing comments on the thread before I myself got blocked just like she did – probably because I broke the maxim of “Don’t feed the troll.” My mistake, if the video maker sees this I apologize for being part of the swarm who couldn’t help themselves.

“@drysift “Got exactly what you deserved.” So thuggery is justified if it’s against someone you disagree with? As a tea party member my group and I were briefly considering sending a delegation down to talk with you folks as an olive branch of sorts. You can bet we’ll steer clear now. Like it or not, you fellas have given us the impression that you’re only interested in provocation and shouting when you encounter things you don’t like. Quit excusing bad behavior so much.”

You are reading a frustration, irritated Dougem there! I took the freedom to emphasize a few words with bold, and will continue to do so as we go. Words are important, folks! And I’m being directly honest here – the San Diego Tea Party – my group – was at the time considering a delegation. They actually did one yesterday, but more on that in a future post. When we talked about it at one of our meetings, our concerns were based off of countless videos of anger, disruptance, violence, clashes with the police – I don’t feel it’s unreasonable that we concluded that for whatever reason – the movement is tied with unpleasantness. Street shouting is not conducive to meaningful debate. Sitting down in a calm, neutral setting and taking turns talking is – and was what we were considering inviting some occupiers to.

We strongly believe in civil debate and listening to opposing viewpoints. America is about tolerance and agreeing to disagree about some things in the interests of peace, freedom, and focusing on our daily lives. I can with complete confidence speak for my tea party chapter in this regard. If you have problems with the tea party? Great! Take it up with the locals. I’m sure they’ll be happy to speak with you if you are civil and polite.

Members of my group – probably about 3 or 4 – went down to do a follow up of sorts. Details are fuzzy, but I do know there is film and pictures which I will share in due time. Back to the pm!

“..And my response to you is exactly what I said before..

No, she wasn’t reaching out. She went to interview people she thought would make Occupiers look bad, and she got exactly what she deserved.”

She went out to supposedly make you guys look bad? Oh boo-hoo. Cry me a river. That’s just too darn bad. It certainly isn’t fair! And guess what? Life ain’t fair. Now, IF you are correct – I won’t necessarily support what she did. HOWEVER. That does not mean that the people in the video were justified in committing assault. That’s what that was, plain and simple. Adults do not physically lash out of they don’t like something. Adults don’t throw temper tantrums if they want to be taken seriously. I see children in that video. No one looks good – but the occupy members in there look far worse.

WELL THEN WHAT’S THE ALTERNATIVE??? Gee, I dunno – offering to do a one to one interview with the video taker? How about – responding in a calm, rational, civil, and polite matter? Maybe inviting them to talk things over lunch or in a park – ie, in a quiet setting not charged by anger? Maybe even – GASP – TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK! Ie – refusing to respond. You can do that. Say “No thank you” or “I’d rather not discuss that” or “I don’t care to speak with you”. All very simple, easy things.

You advocate mob violence and mob, street justice in that sentence. If you actually read this – answer me this – Are you attempting to justify the use of physical force in political disagreements, and do you also justify the use of physical force to actively prevent the act of filming or taking pictures of occupiers in public spaces?

Moving on!

“Quit scouting homeless people to represent Occupiers. The COPS DROP THEM OFF there for free food and shelter, that’s it.”

They do? -Really-? Where’s your proof? Show it to me, and then we can talk about this ridiculous assertion. Even assuming that the homeless were there for whatever reason – Why not welcome them and do some community service and outreach? I’ll be frank – I don’t buy that these are homeless people. Even if they were – they seem to think they’re a part of your movement! As for them being disruptive…

“The Tea Partiers have their share of crazies too. When you’re ready to see the good in Occupy and take some responsibility for your own actions, we can talk!”

Primarily because those on the left or in the “Progressive” field looooove to fantasize day and night about how racist, bigoted, and hateful the tea party is. The assertion that there is the same proportion of nuts in the tea party as there are in the occupy movement is patently absurd. Compare these photos of the Occupy Oakland camp to a tea party protest in San Francisco.

You know what the tea party does with crazies they identify? They rapidly get shunned with clever things like impostor signs. This is common at tea party events because the crazy people do not represent us and we are very willing to call them out. And guess what? When the Tea Party and the Green Party had dueling rallies one daythere was no violence! Shocking! Thought I would throw that in there, since, you know, your people seem to have problems here.

“Aww homeless people got ya’ shakin’ in your boots?”

You should be shaking in your boots because, according to you, they’re being agitators! Who does that reflect on? That’s assuming we accept your argument about provocateurs. As I said above – why are you not naming and shaming these people? You can easily distance yourselves from them. Homeless people need help if they are willing to accept it. If not? Okay, fine, we move on. We don’t get our panties in a knot over their erratic behavior. They want attention. You don’t encourage their destructive behavior if you are allegedly so upset and damaged by it.

“Bring your olive branch. Occupiers would love to hear their representatives debate with peaceful people, but leave your guns, gun-strapped toddlers, biased perspectives, and sarcastic remarks at home. Occupiers have had plenty of documented (on youtube) civil debates with opposers, but they have NO TIME for aggressive haters.. which you borderline on.”

So, first you invite me and my group to come down, and then you proceed to lash out with your stereotypes about my movement. That doesn’t seem very non-hostile, does it? Have you heard of words like please, and thank you? Are you truly wondering why I think you people are interested in the scandal, the controversy, the heat of the moment more then you are about actual debate? And here’s a newsflash –I WAS THERE ON OCTOBER 7th. In person, and I took 122 photos and 6 videos totaling around 20 minutes, and I posted all of it online. BEFORE I made any editorial remarks! Oh my! Shocking! Since then I’ve heard at least a dozen phone and youtube interviews – and you know what? I still disagree with your movement.

As to me being an “aggressive hater?” I resent the fact that you claim to speak for the “99%”. That’s ridiculous. No movement can claim that – especially a movement that is so vague and scattershot in its ideas. So – since you profess to speak for me – I will hold you to a very high standard. I do the same with my tea party fellows, by the way. I refuse to associate myself with anyone who uses mob tactics to achieve political goals. That simple. There’s also the fact that I had recently watched this video in which occupy DC actively prevented conservatives from leaving a dinner and injured a grandmother and several others. I would love to see you try to justify that in any way. I even wrote a blog post about it that I would also challenge you to read.

“So come in peace! OR, you can come film and harass the poor homeless for a nice piece of propaganda if bias is your agenda, but don’t cry to youtube when your smart mouth gets you hit.”

As noted above, I already have. I intend to in the future. I still call bullshit on the “Poor homeless” who you bemoan in one sentence and attack in the next.

I have a smart mouth? I’m crying to youtube? Who’s the one with dozens of comments on a single video deriding baby boomers, fantasizing about violence, and insulting people left and right? It certainly isn’t me. Let’s hear a little more from you, in fact.

“Can’t handle the truth? Bitch asked for a fight and she got it. LOL Tea Partiers are such a useless minority of old, uninformed baby-boomers who created the mess we are in today. What makes you think anyone at Occupy is going to listen to a word of what some old perpetrator has to say?

Just remember who is going to take care of you in the nursing home when you’re old. 😉 “Punish with impunity,” “You reap what you sow.” You’ll learn to pick your fights the hard way.

Take care! :D”

“LOL only in a perfect world Mr. “utopian socialist.” The Tea Partiers aren’t ready to negotiate, and everything they stand for, Occupiers stand for and more! So fuck the Tea Partiers, we don’t need them! They are all too old and stubborn to accomplish anything, and they are entirely to blame for this mess to begin with. You make zero sense.

LOL you’d never talk to me like that in person. I’d dot that eye for you, peasant.”

“LOL I’m hardly the one polarizing the two protests. That is the Tea Partiers job, as is clearly demonstrated by BacktoAmerica’s changel. They are out to smear our cause, and I am out to merely defend it. Occupy accepts all views and opinions, but watch your tone, because we don’t accept bullshit.

Furthermore, Tea Partiers will call us young, lazy and immature. If we are so young then how could we possibly have created this mess? There you go contradicting yourself again Teabagger.”

“Hahahahaha change the video title to:

TEA PARTIER ON HER PEROID GETS WHAT SHE ASKED FOR.

You asked for the fight, get real. This is exactly why society laughs at Tea Partiers.”

So pardon me if I’m going to call you out for the arrogant, hateful, bile spewing piece of venom that you are. I’m man enough to admit that I’m not right all the time, I’m certainly not egotistical enough to presume to speak for other people, and I’m never going to put down people solely for their political identity. As I’ve said before, and as still applies – even if I disagree with occupy and their tactics, I do not hate them as people and I respect their right to protest. I reserve the right to assert that I think they’re being incredibly immature – and yes, I resent that they seem to be able to break laws left and right with little to no consequences. Finally, and very tellingly, your last comment on the video was as follows – and this was in reply to another user, not myself:

“Alright man. I’m tired of arguing, I’m sorry. I just don’t like to see people scorn all Occupiers over the actions of a few. I don’t even support all the agendas in the movement, but I support people who want to make the world a better place. The world needs help and the Occupiers want to help. Last night I realized that this bickering is going nowhere. I think you, BacktoAmerica and I should all just reassess our tactics, and stop taking sides. I want to make peace, not instigate war..”

Was that so hard? I and many others are tired of bickering. Occupy really does seem to be all about just that – bickering. I actually am willing to believe that there are people in the occupy movement who want to do positive things – and that’s great. But by doing these occupations they are enabling radicals to control the agenda. Get over that problem, figure out a way to deal with those people and really prove to us that they aren’t calling the shots, and maybe – just maybe – people will listen to you.

Also, try to keep in mind that when you spew venom people will – and should – call you out on it. I’d expect any of my audience to do the same to me. I think people should be held accountable for their actions, so let’s start doing that, hmm? It’s one of the key steps in realizing that every single one of us is an imperfect human being and still have many many things to learn in life.

Thank you, ‘non polarized intellectual’ drysift, for your opinion. I will actually give you credit for that last comment which seems allmooost like an apology of sorts. I eagerly await your response.

-Douglas Martin AKA TheDougem

Note: The user who banned -both- of us has full rights to moderate discussion on her video. This is why Youtube is a terrible place to debate, and why I took the time to post a giant post here – on my own blog. I enthusiastically encourage debate and discussion and I will never tear down a comment because of political disagreements. Be polite, be civil, and don’t be a troll, but at the same time I believe in people letting their words show just who they are. Please bear that in mind before replying. 🙂

About TheDougem

A budding writer and amateur podcaster, TheDougem has been an active presence on the internet for roughly four years in various mediums including livestreaming, youtube, blogtalkradio, and others. An avid fan of strategy games, discussing current events and conservative philosophy, as well as a bit of storytelling on the side.

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